Discussion:
backlit model 100/102
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M***@public.gmane.org
2003-05-25 08:51:23 UTC
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Hello


I was wondering if anyone has tried to mod their model 100/102 with a backlit LCD and if they had any tips. I'm thinking about moding one of mine (Would be cool :'))
but want to gather as much about it as I can.

thanks
B***@public.gmane.org
2003-05-25 14:42:07 UTC
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It would be very cool to do that but why wreck a perfectly good computer.
Get a head lamp, Its cheaper to get, its already made & engineered, and you
won't experience any downtime modifying your laptop.

Best of luck, and wishes

-Rick Allison-
David
2003-05-25 15:30:28 UTC
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This is something that I thought about years ago. I
have the address for a company somewhere that makes
electroluminesent things for such an idea. The only
thing I don't want to bother with is taking off the
plastic thing that is stuck on the the back of the LCD
screen and thus maybe ruining the LCD. One could then
place an electroluminesent thingy on the back. The
LCD would then light up, the light would then reflect
off of the plastic covering on the computer hitting
the LCD and you would be able to view your screen with
no problem. I thought about this years ago but never
got around to doing it.

David
Post by M***@public.gmane.org
Hello
I was wondering if anyone has tried to mod their
model 100/102 with a backlit LCD and if they had any
tips. I'm thinking about moding one of mine (Would
be cool :'))
but want to gather as much about it as I can.
thanks
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Neil Morrison
2003-05-25 18:50:43 UTC
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Try putting your strip across the top of the display at right angles
and on the outside. If you can get a strip that's 1/4" wide, that may
be enough, and you won't have to open the case.

IMO, there's no way to remove the back of the LCD without destroying
it. You could buy some extras from Club 100 and try doing it to them,
but I suspect your success rate will be very small.

Neil

----- Original Message -----
Post by David
This is something that I thought about years ago. I
have the address for a company somewhere that makes
electroluminesent things for such an idea. The only
thing I don't want to bother with is taking off the
plastic thing that is stuck on the the back of the LCD
screen and thus maybe ruining the LCD....
David
2003-05-26 01:07:15 UTC
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Oh, there's a way to remove the back of the LCD. It's
just I'm in no hurry to do it. I know it can be done
because I used to do it to digital watches all the
time. The LCD on the 100 is much bigger thus more
(fragile) work which is why I'm taking my time getting
around to doing it myself.

David
Post by Neil Morrison
Try putting your strip across the top of the display
at right angles
and on the outside. If you can get a strip that's
1/4" wide, that may
be enough, and you won't have to open the case.
IMO, there's no way to remove the back of the LCD
without destroying
it. You could buy some extras from Club 100 and try
doing it to them,
but I suspect your success rate will be very small.
Neil
----- Original Message -----
Post by David
This is something that I thought about years ago.
I
Post by David
have the address for a company somewhere that
makes
Post by David
electroluminesent things for such an idea. The
only
Post by David
thing I don't want to bother with is taking off
the
Post by David
plastic thing that is stuck on the the back of the
LCD
Post by David
screen and thus maybe ruining the LCD....
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Steve Adolph
2003-05-26 04:50:23 UTC
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Gentlepeople-

I am trying to debug why TSdos and desklink dont work very well for me. I
get somewhat random directories, the odd 'communication error' and
sometimes, it hangs.

Does desklink work well on windows2k for others? also, does it care if the
data is on a raid, or NTFS, or FAT?

I have tried it with 3 different machines, all the same results.

so, it's either
- cable
- software corrupted (desklink or dos200.co)
- compatibility?
- hardware problem on server

Any suggestions?

I have read the docs-- no mention of issues to look out for.

thanks, steve
Ron Wiesen
2003-05-26 05:20:47 UTC
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Sounds like cable trouble to me. There's no issue with Windoze 2000. An
IRQ conflict is another possibility, in which case 'random' really isn't
random.

-= Ron =-

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Adolph" <sadolph-***@public.gmane.org>
To: <m100-***@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 12:50 AM
Subject: desklink on Win2k?
Post by Steve Adolph
Gentlepeople-
I am trying to debug why TSdos and desklink dont work very well for me. I
get somewhat random directories, the odd 'communication error' and
sometimes, it hangs.
Does desklink work well on windows2k for others? also, does it care if the
data is on a raid, or NTFS, or FAT?
I have tried it with 3 different machines, all the same results.
so, it's either
- cable
- software corrupted (desklink or dos200.co)
- compatibility?
- hardware problem on server
Any suggestions?
I have read the docs-- no mention of issues to look out for.
thanks, steve
Ron Wiesen
2003-05-26 05:24:34 UTC
Permalink
I assume you didn't inload a BASIC program file under a .DO file name
extension. Likewise I assume you didn't inload the textual equivalent of a
BASIC program under a .BA file name extension. If you did either of this,
it sets the stage for disaster.

-= Ron =-

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Adolph" <sadolph-***@public.gmane.org>
To: <m100-***@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 12:50 AM
Subject: desklink on Win2k?
Post by Steve Adolph
Gentlepeople-
I am trying to debug why TSdos and desklink dont work very well for me. I
get somewhat random directories, the odd 'communication error' and
sometimes, it hangs.
Does desklink work well on windows2k for others? also, does it care if the
data is on a raid, or NTFS, or FAT?
I have tried it with 3 different machines, all the same results.
so, it's either
- cable
- software corrupted (desklink or dos200.co)
- compatibility?
- hardware problem on server
Any suggestions?
I have read the docs-- no mention of issues to look out for.
thanks, steve
sadolph
2003-05-26 13:22:07 UTC
Permalink
Ron, yep agreed.

I tried an experiment- always the same hardware

config win2kserver+desklink on HDD 6.22dos+desklink on
FDD win2kserver+desklink on FDD

results pseudo working works
perfectly doesn't work at all


so, I think that win2k server must have some wrinkle that makes it not-work.

I'll probably use up some old hardware, and put together a 386/dos machine
with ethernet just to tie the tandy to the server.

thoughts?

thanks, Steve

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Wiesen" <ronw-***@public.gmane.org>
To: <m100-***@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 1:24 AM
Subject: Re: desklink on Win2k?
Post by Ron Wiesen
I assume you didn't inload a BASIC program file under a .DO file name
extension. Likewise I assume you didn't inload the textual equivalent of a
BASIC program under a .BA file name extension. If you did either of this,
it sets the stage for disaster.
-= Ron =-
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 12:50 AM
Subject: desklink on Win2k?
Post by Steve Adolph
Gentlepeople-
I am trying to debug why TSdos and desklink dont work very well for me.
I
Post by Ron Wiesen
Post by Steve Adolph
get somewhat random directories, the odd 'communication error' and
sometimes, it hangs.
Does desklink work well on windows2k for others? also, does it care if
the
Post by Steve Adolph
data is on a raid, or NTFS, or FAT?
I have tried it with 3 different machines, all the same results.
so, it's either
- cable
- software corrupted (desklink or dos200.co)
- compatibility?
- hardware problem on server
Any suggestions?
I have read the docs-- no mention of issues to look out for.
thanks, steve
David
2003-05-26 17:56:42 UTC
Permalink
Desklink does work on Win2k because that is what my
sister uses. I first tried out desklink on a friends
computer which has Win98 with a null modem cable
hooked up to it. We tried it out on his laptop first
then the PC. We found that we had to change the COM
port and you DON'T use Teeny.co to transfer files. If
you want to transfer files then use TS-DOS or
DSKMGR.CO. I found that when transfering files a
Model 100 will only show about 2 or 3 screens of files
the the ROOT directory on the PC. To solve this litte
problem I simply copied everything over to a directory
I call DISK100 and delete everything in the ROOT
directory. If I want to download something to the
Model 100 I simply copy what I need from the DISK100
directoy to the ROOT directory and access DESKLINK.
Also, I forgot to mention, I don't have my Model 100
hook up to my sister's PC because she doesn't have a
RS232 port on her computer. (Bummer) A friend of mine
came over and used the USB port to transfer files.
I'm using an older Tandy 1400HD to store all my Model
100 programs and files. :)

David
Post by sadolph
Ron, yep agreed.
I tried an experiment- always the same hardware
config win2kserver+desklink on HDD
6.22dos+desklink on
FDD win2kserver+desklink on FDD
results pseudo working
works
perfectly doesn't work at
all
so, I think that win2k server must have some wrinkle
that makes it not-work.
I'll probably use up some old hardware, and put
together a 386/dos machine
with ethernet just to tie the tandy to the server.
thoughts?
thanks, Steve
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 1:24 AM
Subject: Re: desklink on Win2k?
Post by Ron Wiesen
I assume you didn't inload a BASIC program file
under a .DO file name
Post by Ron Wiesen
extension. Likewise I assume you didn't inload
the textual equivalent of
a
Post by Ron Wiesen
BASIC program under a .BA file name extension. If
you did either of this,
Post by Ron Wiesen
it sets the stage for disaster.
-= Ron =-
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 12:50 AM
Subject: desklink on Win2k?
Post by Steve Adolph
Gentlepeople-
I am trying to debug why TSdos and desklink dont
work very well for me.
I
Post by Ron Wiesen
Post by Steve Adolph
get somewhat random directories, the odd
'communication error' and
Post by Ron Wiesen
Post by Steve Adolph
sometimes, it hangs.
Does desklink work well on windows2k for others?
also, does it care if
Post by Ron Wiesen
the
Post by Steve Adolph
data is on a raid, or NTFS, or FAT?
I have tried it with 3 different machines, all
the same results.
Post by Ron Wiesen
Post by Steve Adolph
so, it's either
- cable
- software corrupted (desklink or dos200.co)
- compatibility?
- hardware problem on server
Any suggestions?
I have read the docs-- no mention of issues to
look out for.
Post by Ron Wiesen
Post by Steve Adolph
thanks, steve
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w***@public.gmane.org
2003-05-26 17:59:00 UTC
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Radio Shack sells a USB->Serial converter. Might be a solution for you.


----- Original Message -----
Wrom: DJBLVLMHAALPTCXLYRWTQTIP
To: <m100-***@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 13:56
Subject: Re: desklink on Win2k?
Post by David
Desklink does work on Win2k because that is what my
sister uses. I first tried out desklink on a friends
computer which has Win98 with a null modem cable
hooked up to it. We tried it out on his laptop first
then the PC. We found that we had to change the COM
port and you DON'T use Teeny.co to transfer files. If
you want to transfer files then use TS-DOS or
DSKMGR.CO. I found that when transfering files a
Model 100 will only show about 2 or 3 screens of files
the the ROOT directory on the PC. To solve this litte
problem I simply copied everything over to a directory
I call DISK100 and delete everything in the ROOT
directory. If I want to download something to the
Model 100 I simply copy what I need from the DISK100
directoy to the ROOT directory and access DESKLINK.
Also, I forgot to mention, I don't have my Model 100
hook up to my sister's PC because she doesn't have a
RS232 port on her computer. (Bummer) A friend of mine
came over and used the USB port to transfer files.
I'm using an older Tandy 1400HD to store all my Model
100 programs and files. :)
David
Post by sadolph
Ron, yep agreed.
I tried an experiment- always the same hardware
config win2kserver+desklink on HDD
6.22dos+desklink on
FDD win2kserver+desklink on FDD
results pseudo working
works
perfectly doesn't work at
all
so, I think that win2k server must have some wrinkle
that makes it not-work.
I'll probably use up some old hardware, and put
together a 386/dos machine
with ethernet just to tie the tandy to the server.
thoughts?
thanks, Steve
----- Original Message -----
Wrom: WIGYOKSTTZRCLBDXRQBGJSNBOHMKHJYF
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 1:24 AM
Subject: Re: desklink on Win2k?
Post by Ron Wiesen
I assume you didn't inload a BASIC program file
under a .DO file name
Post by Ron Wiesen
extension. Likewise I assume you didn't inload
the textual equivalent of
a
Post by Ron Wiesen
BASIC program under a .BA file name extension. If
you did either of this,
Post by Ron Wiesen
it sets the stage for disaster.
-= Ron =-
----- Original Message -----
Wrom: MYXOEAIJJPHSCRTNHGSWZIDREXCAXZOWCO
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 12:50 AM
Subject: desklink on Win2k?
Post by Steve Adolph
Gentlepeople-
I am trying to debug why TSdos and desklink dont
work very well for me.
I
Post by Ron Wiesen
Post by Steve Adolph
get somewhat random directories, the odd
'communication error' and
Post by Ron Wiesen
Post by Steve Adolph
sometimes, it hangs.
Does desklink work well on windows2k for others?
also, does it care if
Post by Ron Wiesen
the
Post by Steve Adolph
data is on a raid, or NTFS, or FAT?
I have tried it with 3 different machines, all
the same results.
Post by Ron Wiesen
Post by Steve Adolph
so, it's either
- cable
- software corrupted (desklink or dos200.co)
- compatibility?
- hardware problem on server
Any suggestions?
I have read the docs-- no mention of issues to
look out for.
Post by Ron Wiesen
Post by Steve Adolph
thanks, steve
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David
2003-05-26 20:47:56 UTC
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Apparently DESKLINK works with the RS232 port. I'm
not familiar with USB and I'm still getting used to
modern PC's.
Post by w***@public.gmane.org
Radio Shack sells a USB->Serial converter. Might be
a solution for you.
----- Original Message -----
Wrom: DJBLVLMHAALPTCXLYRWTQTIP
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 13:56
Subject: Re: desklink on Win2k?
Post by David
Desklink does work on Win2k because that is what
my
Post by David
sister uses. I first tried out desklink on a
friends
Post by David
computer which has Win98 with a null modem cable
hooked up to it. We tried it out on his laptop
first
Post by David
then the PC. We found that we had to change the
COM
Post by David
port and you DON'T use Teeny.co to transfer files.
If
Post by David
you want to transfer files then use TS-DOS or
DSKMGR.CO. I found that when transfering files a
Model 100 will only show about 2 or 3 screens of
files
Post by David
the the ROOT directory on the PC. To solve this
litte
Post by David
problem I simply copied everything over to a
directory
Post by David
I call DISK100 and delete everything in the ROOT
directory. If I want to download something to the
Model 100 I simply copy what I need from the
DISK100
Post by David
directoy to the ROOT directory and access
DESKLINK.
Post by David
Also, I forgot to mention, I don't have my Model
100
Post by David
hook up to my sister's PC because she doesn't have
a
Post by David
RS232 port on her computer. (Bummer) A friend of
mine
Post by David
came over and used the USB port to transfer files.
I'm using an older Tandy 1400HD to store all my
Model
Post by David
100 programs and files. :)
David
Post by sadolph
Ron, yep agreed.
I tried an experiment- always the same hardware
config win2kserver+desklink on HDD
6.22dos+desklink on
FDD win2kserver+desklink on FDD
results pseudo working
works
perfectly doesn't
work at
Post by David
Post by sadolph
all
so, I think that win2k server must have some
wrinkle
Post by David
Post by sadolph
that makes it not-work.
I'll probably use up some old hardware, and put
together a 386/dos machine
with ethernet just to tie the tandy to the
server.
Post by David
Post by sadolph
thoughts?
thanks, Steve
----- Original Message -----
Wrom: WIGYOKSTTZRCLBDXRQBGJSNBOHMKHJYF
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 1:24 AM
Subject: Re: desklink on Win2k?
Post by Ron Wiesen
I assume you didn't inload a BASIC program
file
Post by David
Post by sadolph
under a .DO file name
Post by Ron Wiesen
extension. Likewise I assume you didn't
inload
Post by David
Post by sadolph
the textual equivalent of
a
Post by Ron Wiesen
BASIC program under a .BA file name extension.
If
Post by David
Post by sadolph
you did either of this,
Post by Ron Wiesen
it sets the stage for disaster.
-= Ron =-
----- Original Message -----
Wrom: MYXOEAIJJPHSCRTNHGSWZIDREXCAXZOWCO
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 12:50 AM
Subject: desklink on Win2k?
Post by Steve Adolph
Gentlepeople-
I am trying to debug why TSdos and desklink
dont
Post by David
Post by sadolph
work very well for me.
I
Post by Ron Wiesen
Post by Steve Adolph
get somewhat random directories, the odd
'communication error' and
Post by Ron Wiesen
Post by Steve Adolph
sometimes, it hangs.
Does desklink work well on windows2k for
others?
Post by David
Post by sadolph
also, does it care if
Post by Ron Wiesen
the
Post by Steve Adolph
data is on a raid, or NTFS, or FAT?
I have tried it with 3 different machines,
all
Post by David
Post by sadolph
the same results.
Post by Ron Wiesen
Post by Steve Adolph
so, it's either
- cable
- software corrupted (desklink or dos200.co)
- compatibility?
- hardware problem on server
Any suggestions?
I have read the docs-- no mention of issues
to
Post by David
Post by sadolph
look out for.
Post by Ron Wiesen
Post by Steve Adolph
thanks, steve
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w***@public.gmane.org
2003-05-26 21:10:33 UTC
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EXACTLY!!! The cable (#26-0182) plugs into a USB port, converting it to a
serial (RS-232) port.

73 es cul

wb3fup
a Salty Bear


----- Original Message -----
Wrom: OBUZXUWLSZLKBRNVWWCUFPEG
To: <m100-***@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 16:47
Subject: Re: desklink on Win2k?
Post by David
Apparently DESKLINK works with the RS232 port. I'm
not familiar with USB and I'm still getting used to
modern PC's.
Post by w***@public.gmane.org
Radio Shack sells a USB->Serial converter. Might be
a solution for you.
----- Original Message -----
Wrom: DJBLVLMHAALPTCXLYRWTQTIP
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 13:56
Subject: Re: desklink on Win2k?
Post by David
Desklink does work on Win2k because that is what
my
Post by David
sister uses. I first tried out desklink on a
friends
Post by David
computer which has Win98 with a null modem cable
hooked up to it. We tried it out on his laptop
first
Post by David
then the PC. We found that we had to change the
COM
Post by David
port and you DON'T use Teeny.co to transfer files.
If
Post by David
you want to transfer files then use TS-DOS or
DSKMGR.CO. I found that when transfering files a
Model 100 will only show about 2 or 3 screens of
files
Post by David
the the ROOT directory on the PC. To solve this
litte
Post by David
problem I simply copied everything over to a
directory
Post by David
I call DISK100 and delete everything in the ROOT
directory. If I want to download something to the
Model 100 I simply copy what I need from the
DISK100
Post by David
directoy to the ROOT directory and access
DESKLINK.
Post by David
Also, I forgot to mention, I don't have my Model
100
Post by David
hook up to my sister's PC because she doesn't have
a
Post by David
RS232 port on her computer. (Bummer) A friend of
mine
Post by David
came over and used the USB port to transfer files.
I'm using an older Tandy 1400HD to store all my
Model
Post by David
100 programs and files. :)
David
Post by sadolph
Ron, yep agreed.
I tried an experiment- always the same hardware
config win2kserver+desklink on HDD
6.22dos+desklink on
FDD win2kserver+desklink on FDD
results pseudo working
works
perfectly doesn't
work at
Post by David
Post by sadolph
all
so, I think that win2k server must have some
wrinkle
Post by David
Post by sadolph
that makes it not-work.
I'll probably use up some old hardware, and put
together a 386/dos machine
with ethernet just to tie the tandy to the
server.
Post by David
Post by sadolph
thoughts?
thanks, Steve
----- Original Message -----
Wrom: WIGYOKSTTZRCLBDXRQBGJSNBOHMKHJYF
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 1:24 AM
Subject: Re: desklink on Win2k?
Post by Ron Wiesen
I assume you didn't inload a BASIC program
file
Post by David
Post by sadolph
under a .DO file name
Post by Ron Wiesen
extension. Likewise I assume you didn't
inload
Post by David
Post by sadolph
the textual equivalent of
a
Post by Ron Wiesen
BASIC program under a .BA file name extension.
If
Post by David
Post by sadolph
you did either of this,
Post by Ron Wiesen
it sets the stage for disaster.
-= Ron =-
----- Original Message -----
Wrom: MYXOEAIJJPHSCRTNHGSWZIDREXCAXZOWCO
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 12:50 AM
Subject: desklink on Win2k?
Post by Steve Adolph
Gentlepeople-
I am trying to debug why TSdos and desklink
dont
Post by David
Post by sadolph
work very well for me.
I
Post by Ron Wiesen
Post by Steve Adolph
get somewhat random directories, the odd
'communication error' and
Post by Ron Wiesen
Post by Steve Adolph
sometimes, it hangs.
Does desklink work well on windows2k for
others?
Post by David
Post by sadolph
also, does it care if
Post by Ron Wiesen
the
Post by Steve Adolph
data is on a raid, or NTFS, or FAT?
I have tried it with 3 different machines,
all
Post by David
Post by sadolph
the same results.
Post by Ron Wiesen
Post by Steve Adolph
so, it's either
- cable
- software corrupted (desklink or dos200.co)
- compatibility?
- hardware problem on server
Any suggestions?
I have read the docs-- no mention of issues
to
Post by David
Post by sadolph
look out for.
Post by Ron Wiesen
Post by Steve Adolph
thanks, steve
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sadolph
2003-05-27 14:01:25 UTC
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Gents-

I would assume that serial access via the memory locations and IRQs for COM1
and COM2 (IRQ 4/3, mem 3F8, 2F8).

Although I did not write the code,...so I could be wrong here.

steve


----- Original Message -----
From: <wb3fup-***@public.gmane.org>
To: <m100-***@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: desklink on Win2k?
Post by w***@public.gmane.org
EXACTLY!!! The cable (#26-0182) plugs into a USB port, converting it to a
serial (RS-232) port.
73 es cul
wb3fup
a Salty Bear
----- Original Message -----
Wrom: OBUZXUWLSZLKBRNVWWCUFPEG
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 16:47
Subject: Re: desklink on Win2k?
Post by David
Apparently DESKLINK works with the RS232 port. I'm
not familiar with USB and I'm still getting used to
modern PC's.
Post by w***@public.gmane.org
Radio Shack sells a USB->Serial converter. Might be
a solution for you.
----- Original Message -----
Wrom: DJBLVLMHAALPTCXLYRWTQTIP
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 13:56
Subject: Re: desklink on Win2k?
Post by David
Desklink does work on Win2k because that is what
my
Post by David
sister uses. I first tried out desklink on a
friends
Post by David
computer which has Win98 with a null modem cable
hooked up to it. We tried it out on his laptop
first
Post by David
then the PC. We found that we had to change the
COM
Post by David
port and you DON'T use Teeny.co to transfer files.
If
Post by David
you want to transfer files then use TS-DOS or
DSKMGR.CO. I found that when transfering files a
Model 100 will only show about 2 or 3 screens of
files
Post by David
the the ROOT directory on the PC. To solve this
litte
Post by David
problem I simply copied everything over to a
directory
Post by David
I call DISK100 and delete everything in the ROOT
directory. If I want to download something to the
Model 100 I simply copy what I need from the
DISK100
Post by David
directoy to the ROOT directory and access
DESKLINK.
Post by David
Also, I forgot to mention, I don't have my Model
100
Post by David
hook up to my sister's PC because she doesn't have
a
Post by David
RS232 port on her computer. (Bummer) A friend of
mine
Post by David
came over and used the USB port to transfer files.
I'm using an older Tandy 1400HD to store all my
Model
Post by David
100 programs and files. :)
David
Post by sadolph
Ron, yep agreed.
I tried an experiment- always the same hardware
config win2kserver+desklink on HDD
6.22dos+desklink on
FDD win2kserver+desklink on FDD
results pseudo working
works
perfectly doesn't
work at
Post by David
Post by sadolph
all
so, I think that win2k server must have some
wrinkle
Post by David
Post by sadolph
that makes it not-work.
I'll probably use up some old hardware, and put
together a 386/dos machine
with ethernet just to tie the tandy to the
server.
Post by David
Post by sadolph
thoughts?
thanks, Steve
----- Original Message -----
Wrom: WIGYOKSTTZRCLBDXRQBGJSNBOHMKHJYF
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 1:24 AM
Subject: Re: desklink on Win2k?
Post by Ron Wiesen
I assume you didn't inload a BASIC program
file
Post by David
Post by sadolph
under a .DO file name
Post by Ron Wiesen
extension. Likewise I assume you didn't
inload
Post by David
Post by sadolph
the textual equivalent of
a
Post by Ron Wiesen
BASIC program under a .BA file name extension.
If
Post by David
Post by sadolph
you did either of this,
Post by Ron Wiesen
it sets the stage for disaster.
-= Ron =-
----- Original Message -----
Wrom: MYXOEAIJJPHSCRTNHGSWZIDREXCAXZOWCO
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 12:50 AM
Subject: desklink on Win2k?
Post by Steve Adolph
Gentlepeople-
I am trying to debug why TSdos and desklink
dont
Post by David
Post by sadolph
work very well for me.
I
Post by Ron Wiesen
Post by Steve Adolph
get somewhat random directories, the odd
'communication error' and
Post by Ron Wiesen
Post by Steve Adolph
sometimes, it hangs.
Does desklink work well on windows2k for
others?
Post by David
Post by sadolph
also, does it care if
Post by Ron Wiesen
the
Post by Steve Adolph
data is on a raid, or NTFS, or FAT?
I have tried it with 3 different machines,
all
Post by David
Post by sadolph
the same results.
Post by Ron Wiesen
Post by Steve Adolph
so, it's either
- cable
- software corrupted (desklink or dos200.co)
- compatibility?
- hardware problem on server
Any suggestions?
I have read the docs-- no mention of issues
to
Post by David
Post by sadolph
look out for.
Post by Ron Wiesen
Post by Steve Adolph
thanks, steve
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Charles Good
2003-05-27 19:19:23 UTC
Permalink
On my relatively modern computer a usp-to-serial device insists on
configuring itself as com3. This is of no use with WP2DOS, which only
recognizes com 1 and com 2. I think that on modern computers that only have
a com1, the address space for com2 is occupied by the ps2 connector for the
mouse.

Charles Good

----- Original Message -----
From: <wb3fup-***@public.gmane.org>
To: <m100-***@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: desklink on Win2k?
Post by w***@public.gmane.org
EXACTLY!!! The cable (#26-0182) plugs into a USB port, converting it to a
serial (RS-232) port.
73 es cul
wb3fup
a Salty Bear
----- Original Message -----
Wrom: OBUZXUWLSZLKBRNVWWCUFPEG
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 16:47
Subject: Re: desklink on Win2k?
Post by David
Apparently DESKLINK works with the RS232 port. I'm
not familiar with USB and I'm still getting used to
modern PC's.
Post by w***@public.gmane.org
Radio Shack sells a USB->Serial converter. Might be
a solution for you.
----- Original Message -----
Wrom: DJBLVLMHAALPTCXLYRWTQTIP
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 13:56
Subject: Re: desklink on Win2k?
Post by David
Desklink does work on Win2k because that is what
my
Post by David
sister uses. I first tried out desklink on a
friends
Post by David
computer which has Win98 with a null modem cable
hooked up to it. We tried it out on his laptop
first
Post by David
then the PC. We found that we had to change the
COM
Post by David
port and you DON'T use Teeny.co to transfer files.
If
Post by David
you want to transfer files then use TS-DOS or
DSKMGR.CO. I found that when transfering files a
Model 100 will only show about 2 or 3 screens of
files
Post by David
the the ROOT directory on the PC. To solve this
litte
Post by David
problem I simply copied everything over to a
directory
Post by David
I call DISK100 and delete everything in the ROOT
directory. If I want to download something to the
Model 100 I simply copy what I need from the
DISK100
Post by David
directoy to the ROOT directory and access
DESKLINK.
Post by David
Also, I forgot to mention, I don't have my Model
100
Post by David
hook up to my sister's PC because she doesn't have
a
Post by David
RS232 port on her computer. (Bummer) A friend of
mine
Post by David
came over and used the USB port to transfer files.
I'm using an older Tandy 1400HD to store all my
Model
Post by David
100 programs and files. :)
David
Post by sadolph
Ron, yep agreed.
I tried an experiment- always the same hardware
config win2kserver+desklink on HDD
6.22dos+desklink on
FDD win2kserver+desklink on FDD
results pseudo working
works
perfectly doesn't
work at
Post by David
Post by sadolph
all
so, I think that win2k server must have some
wrinkle
Post by David
Post by sadolph
that makes it not-work.
I'll probably use up some old hardware, and put
together a 386/dos machine
with ethernet just to tie the tandy to the
server.
Post by David
Post by sadolph
thoughts?
thanks, Steve
----- Original Message -----
Wrom: WIGYOKSTTZRCLBDXRQBGJSNBOHMKHJYF
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 1:24 AM
Subject: Re: desklink on Win2k?
Post by Ron Wiesen
I assume you didn't inload a BASIC program
file
Post by David
Post by sadolph
under a .DO file name
Post by Ron Wiesen
extension. Likewise I assume you didn't
inload
Post by David
Post by sadolph
the textual equivalent of
a
Post by Ron Wiesen
BASIC program under a .BA file name extension.
If
Post by David
Post by sadolph
you did either of this,
Post by Ron Wiesen
it sets the stage for disaster.
-= Ron =-
----- Original Message -----
Wrom: MYXOEAIJJPHSCRTNHGSWZIDREXCAXZOWCO
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 12:50 AM
Subject: desklink on Win2k?
Post by Steve Adolph
Gentlepeople-
I am trying to debug why TSdos and desklink
dont
Post by David
Post by sadolph
work very well for me.
I
Post by Ron Wiesen
Post by Steve Adolph
get somewhat random directories, the odd
'communication error' and
Post by Ron Wiesen
Post by Steve Adolph
sometimes, it hangs.
Does desklink work well on windows2k for
others?
Post by David
Post by sadolph
also, does it care if
Post by Ron Wiesen
the
Post by Steve Adolph
data is on a raid, or NTFS, or FAT?
I have tried it with 3 different machines,
all
Post by David
Post by sadolph
the same results.
Post by Ron Wiesen
Post by Steve Adolph
so, it's either
- cable
- software corrupted (desklink or dos200.co)
- compatibility?
- hardware problem on server
Any suggestions?
I have read the docs-- no mention of issues
to
Post by David
Post by sadolph
look out for.
Post by Ron Wiesen
Post by Steve Adolph
thanks, steve
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2003-05-28 10:27:41 UTC
Permalink
<x-flowed>
Post by Charles Good
On my relatively modern computer a usp-to-serial device insists on
configuring itself as com3. This is of no use with WP2DOS, which only
recognizes com 1 and com 2. I think that on modern computers that only have
a com1, the address space for com2 is occupied by the ps2 connector for the
mouse.
Charles Good
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: desklink on Win2k?
Post by w***@public.gmane.org
EXACTLY!!! The cable (#26-0182) plugs into a USB port, converting it to a
serial (RS-232) port.
73 es cul
wb3fup
a Salty Bear
----- Original Message -----
Wrom: OBUZXUWLSZLKBRNVWWCUFPEG
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 16:47
Subject: Re: desklink on Win2k?
Post by David
Apparently DESKLINK works with the RS232 port. I'm
not familiar with USB and I'm still getting used to
modern PC's.
Post by w***@public.gmane.org
Radio Shack sells a USB->Serial converter. Might be
a solution for you.
----- Original Message -----
Wrom: DJBLVLMHAALPTCXLYRWTQTIP
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 13:56
Subject: Re: desklink on Win2k?
Post by David
Desklink does work on Win2k because that is what
my
Post by David
sister uses. I first tried out desklink on a
friends
Post by David
computer which has Win98 with a null modem cable
hooked up to it. We tried it out on his laptop
first
Post by David
then the PC. We found that we had to change the
COM
Post by David
port and you DON'T use Teeny.co to transfer files.
If
Post by David
you want to transfer files then use TS-DOS or
DSKMGR.CO. I found that when transfering files a
Model 100 will only show about 2 or 3 screens of
files
Post by David
the the ROOT directory on the PC. To solve this
litte
Post by David
problem I simply copied everything over to a
directory
Post by David
I call DISK100 and delete everything in the ROOT
directory. If I want to download something to the
Model 100 I simply copy what I need from the
DISK100
Post by David
directoy to the ROOT directory and access
DESKLINK.
Post by David
Also, I forgot to mention, I don't have my Model
100
Post by David
hook up to my sister's PC because she doesn't have
a
Post by David
RS232 port on her computer. (Bummer) A friend of
mine
Post by David
came over and used the USB port to transfer files.
I'm using an older Tandy 1400HD to store all my
Model
Post by David
100 programs and files. :)
David
Post by sadolph
Ron, yep agreed.
I tried an experiment- always the same hardware
config win2kserver+desklink on HDD
6.22dos+desklink on
FDD win2kserver+desklink on FDD
results pseudo working
works
perfectly doesn't
work at
Post by David
Post by sadolph
all
so, I think that win2k server must have some
wrinkle
Post by David
Post by sadolph
that makes it not-work.
I'll probably use up some old hardware, and put
together a 386/dos machine
with ethernet just to tie the tandy to the
server.
Post by David
Post by sadolph
thoughts?
thanks, Steve
----- Original Message -----
Wrom: WIGYOKSTTZRCLBDXRQBGJSNBOHMKHJYF
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 1:24 AM
Subject: Re: desklink on Win2k?
Post by Ron Wiesen
I assume you didn't inload a BASIC program
file
Post by David
Post by sadolph
under a .DO file name
Post by Ron Wiesen
extension. Likewise I assume you didn't
inload
Post by David
Post by sadolph
the textual equivalent of
a
Post by Ron Wiesen
BASIC program under a .BA file name extension.
If
Post by David
Post by sadolph
you did either of this,
Post by Ron Wiesen
it sets the stage for disaster.
-= Ron =-
----- Original Message -----
Wrom: MYXOEAIJJPHSCRTNHGSWZIDREXCAXZOWCO
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 12:50 AM
Subject: desklink on Win2k?
Post by Steve Adolph
Gentlepeople-
I am trying to debug why TSdos and desklink
dont
Post by David
Post by sadolph
work very well for me.
I
Post by Ron Wiesen
Post by Steve Adolph
get somewhat random directories, the odd
'communication error' and
Post by Ron Wiesen
Post by Steve Adolph
sometimes, it hangs.
Does desklink work well on windows2k for
others?
Post by David
Post by sadolph
also, does it care if
Post by Ron Wiesen
the
Post by Steve Adolph
data is on a raid, or NTFS, or FAT?
I have tried it with 3 different machines,
all
Post by David
Post by sadolph
the same results.
Post by Ron Wiesen
Post by Steve Adolph
so, it's either
- cable
- software corrupted (desklink or dos200.co)
- compatibility?
- hardware problem on server
Any suggestions?
I have read the docs-- no mention of issues
to
Post by David
Post by sadolph
look out for.
Post by Ron Wiesen
Post by Steve Adolph
thanks, steve
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Most of the newer computers allocate the com port IRQs for
things like IR or internal modems.. The USB/Serial normally
takes the next available IRQ that is seen on the machine..
Therefore you may have to go into your BIOS and disable
things like the IR (InfraRed) or even the internal modem
if so equipped.

Good Luck



</x-flowed>
sadolph
2003-05-28 13:40:49 UTC
Permalink
For those of you interested, I have worked out a simple solution to my
problem where Desklink wont run reliably on W2k server. This will probably
seem like overkill to most, but it works for me.

Goal: get the tandy 200 to be able to access storage, and have that storage
visible on the network.

Solution:
- use an old 386, configured with a single floppy, video card, 10bT NIC, no
keyboard, no monitor
- create a boot disk floppy that includes MS lanmanager software
- set up the 386 such that it boots with no keyboard and no monitor
- on boot up, activate the network, login, and mount a network folder
- in that folder, all the tandy related stuff is present (desklink, files
etc)
- start desklink from the mounted folder

This works very well so far, never malfunctioned in any way. So, by using
really old relatively useless stuff, I have solved my problem.

This seems easier than trying to debug my win2kserver!!

Just an FYI,
Steve
Ron Wiesen
2003-05-27 05:39:59 UTC
Permalink
[ Desklink does work on Win2k ]
Yes it does. It works on all flavors of Windoze and it works on all flavors
of DOS.

[ we had to change the COM port ]
As long as the PC has a serial port configured as COM1: or as COM2: you're
in business with Desklink. Invocation for COM2: requires use of the /2
switch to steer for the COM2: port.

[ you DON'T use Teeny.co to transfer files ]
There's no technical reason why not. If you prefer to use TS-DOS,
DSKMGR.CO, FLOPPY.CO or other 'master' ware, that's fine. TEENY.CO is
'master' ware that works with DeskLink 'slave' ware just as well as any
other 'master' ware.

[ a Model 100 will only show about 2 or 3 screens of files the the ROOT
directory on the PC ]
This has nothing to do with DeskLink 'slave' ware. What you've noticed is a
limitation imposed by whatever 'master' ware you're using in the Tandy. At
one extreme is TS-DOS, for example, which imposes a 40 file name limit on
its files list. The D service of an O___ system is another extreme which
has no limit at all on its files list -- the Tandy screen scrolls onward as
needed, so hundreds of file names can be seen.

[ To solve this litte problem... I simply copy what I need from the DISK100
directoy to the ROOT directory and access DESKLINK ]
You're doing a lot on unneeded work and making life more difficult than it
must be. Instead, supply a 'dir' argument when you invoke DeskLink. That
way you need not copy or move any laptop files at all. You know which
laptop file repository you intend to refer to, \DISK100, \ROOT, or
\WHATEVER. So invoke DeskLink using the appropriate 'dir' argument via
DESKLINK DISK100 or DESKLINK ROOT or DESKLINK WHATEVER.

-= Ron =-

----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <d3pl-/***@public.gmane.org>
To: <m100-***@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: desklink on Win2k?
Post by David
Desklink does work on Win2k because that is what my
sister uses. I first tried out desklink on a friends
computer which has Win98 with a null modem cable
hooked up to it. We tried it out on his laptop first
then the PC. We found that we had to change the COM
port and you DON'T use Teeny.co to transfer files. If
you want to transfer files then use TS-DOS or
DSKMGR.CO. I found that when transfering files a
Model 100 will only show about 2 or 3 screens of files
the the ROOT directory on the PC. To solve this litte
problem I simply copied everything over to a directory
I call DISK100 and delete everything in the ROOT
directory. If I want to download something to the
Model 100 I simply copy what I need from the DISK100
directoy to the ROOT directory and access DESKLINK.
Also, I forgot to mention, I don't have my Model 100
hook up to my sister's PC because she doesn't have a
RS232 port on her computer. (Bummer) A friend of mine
came over and used the USB port to transfer files.
I'm using an older Tandy 1400HD to store all my Model
100 programs and files. :)
David
Post by sadolph
Ron, yep agreed.
I tried an experiment- always the same hardware
config win2kserver+desklink on HDD
6.22dos+desklink on
FDD win2kserver+desklink on FDD
results pseudo working
works
perfectly doesn't work at
all
so, I think that win2k server must have some wrinkle
that makes it not-work.
I'll probably use up some old hardware, and put
together a 386/dos machine
with ethernet just to tie the tandy to the server.
thoughts?
thanks, Steve
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 1:24 AM
Subject: Re: desklink on Win2k?
Post by Ron Wiesen
I assume you didn't inload a BASIC program file
under a .DO file name
Post by Ron Wiesen
extension. Likewise I assume you didn't inload
the textual equivalent of
a
Post by Ron Wiesen
BASIC program under a .BA file name extension. If
you did either of this,
Post by Ron Wiesen
it sets the stage for disaster.
-= Ron =-
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 12:50 AM
Subject: desklink on Win2k?
Post by Steve Adolph
Gentlepeople-
I am trying to debug why TSdos and desklink dont
work very well for me.
I
Post by Ron Wiesen
Post by Steve Adolph
get somewhat random directories, the odd
'communication error' and
Post by Ron Wiesen
Post by Steve Adolph
sometimes, it hangs.
Does desklink work well on windows2k for others?
also, does it care if
Post by Ron Wiesen
the
Post by Steve Adolph
data is on a raid, or NTFS, or FAT?
I have tried it with 3 different machines, all
the same results.
Post by Ron Wiesen
Post by Steve Adolph
so, it's either
- cable
- software corrupted (desklink or dos200.co)
- compatibility?
- hardware problem on server
Any suggestions?
I have read the docs-- no mention of issues to
look out for.
Post by Ron Wiesen
Post by Steve Adolph
thanks, steve
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David
2003-05-27 20:33:42 UTC
Permalink
I've used TEENY.CO about 2-3 times and I only got it
to work once. I won't use it. I prefer using TS-DOS
on my 100. On my sister's 100 we tried DSKMGR.CO and
it works beautifully!

David
Post by Ron Wiesen
[ Desklink does work on Win2k ]
Yes it does. It works on all flavors of Windoze and
it works on all flavors
of DOS.
[ we had to change the COM port ]
As long as the PC has a serial port configured as
COM1: or as COM2: you're
requires use of the /2
switch to steer for the COM2: port.
[ you DON'T use Teeny.co to transfer files ]
There's no technical reason why not. If you prefer
to use TS-DOS,
DSKMGR.CO, FLOPPY.CO or other 'master' ware, that's
fine. TEENY.CO is
'master' ware that works with DeskLink 'slave' ware
just as well as any
other 'master' ware.
[ a Model 100 will only show about 2 or 3 screens of
files the the ROOT
directory on the PC ]
This has nothing to do with DeskLink 'slave' ware.
What you've noticed is a
limitation imposed by whatever 'master' ware you're
using in the Tandy. At
one extreme is TS-DOS, for example, which imposes a
40 file name limit on
its files list. The D service of an O___ system is
another extreme which
has no limit at all on its files list -- the Tandy
screen scrolls onward as
needed, so hundreds of file names can be seen.
[ To solve this litte problem... I simply copy what
I need from the DISK100
directoy to the ROOT directory and access DESKLINK ]
You're doing a lot on unneeded work and making life
more difficult than it
must be. Instead, supply a 'dir' argument when you
invoke DeskLink. That
way you need not copy or move any laptop files at
all. You know which
laptop file repository you intend to refer to,
\DISK100, \ROOT, or
\WHATEVER. So invoke DeskLink using the appropriate
'dir' argument via
DESKLINK DISK100 or DESKLINK ROOT or DESKLINK
WHATEVER.
-= Ron =-
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: desklink on Win2k?
Post by David
Desklink does work on Win2k because that is what
my
Post by David
sister uses. I first tried out desklink on a
friends
Post by David
computer which has Win98 with a null modem cable
hooked up to it. We tried it out on his laptop
first
Post by David
then the PC. We found that we had to change the
COM
Post by David
port and you DON'T use Teeny.co to transfer files.
If
Post by David
you want to transfer files then use TS-DOS or
DSKMGR.CO. I found that when transfering files a
Model 100 will only show about 2 or 3 screens of
files
Post by David
the the ROOT directory on the PC. To solve this
litte
Post by David
problem I simply copied everything over to a
directory
Post by David
I call DISK100 and delete everything in the ROOT
directory. If I want to download something to the
Model 100 I simply copy what I need from the
DISK100
Post by David
directoy to the ROOT directory and access
DESKLINK.
Post by David
Also, I forgot to mention, I don't have my Model
100
Post by David
hook up to my sister's PC because she doesn't have
a
Post by David
RS232 port on her computer. (Bummer) A friend of
mine
Post by David
came over and used the USB port to transfer files.
I'm using an older Tandy 1400HD to store all my
Model
Post by David
100 programs and files. :)
David
Post by sadolph
Ron, yep agreed.
I tried an experiment- always the same hardware
config win2kserver+desklink on HDD
6.22dos+desklink on
FDD win2kserver+desklink on FDD
results pseudo working
works
perfectly doesn't
work at
Post by David
Post by sadolph
all
so, I think that win2k server must have some
wrinkle
Post by David
Post by sadolph
that makes it not-work.
I'll probably use up some old hardware, and put
together a 386/dos machine
with ethernet just to tie the tandy to the
server.
Post by David
Post by sadolph
thoughts?
thanks, Steve
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 1:24 AM
Subject: Re: desklink on Win2k?
Post by Ron Wiesen
I assume you didn't inload a BASIC program
file
Post by David
Post by sadolph
under a .DO file name
Post by Ron Wiesen
extension. Likewise I assume you didn't
inload
Post by David
Post by sadolph
the textual equivalent of
a
Post by Ron Wiesen
BASIC program under a .BA file name extension.
If
Post by David
Post by sadolph
you did either of this,
Post by Ron Wiesen
it sets the stage for disaster.
-= Ron =-
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 12:50 AM
Subject: desklink on Win2k?
Post by Steve Adolph
Gentlepeople-
I am trying to debug why TSdos and desklink
dont
Post by David
Post by sadolph
work very well for me.
I
Post by Ron Wiesen
Post by Steve Adolph
get somewhat random directories, the odd
'communication error' and
Post by Ron Wiesen
Post by Steve Adolph
sometimes, it hangs.
Does desklink work well on windows2k for
others?
Post by David
Post by sadolph
also, does it care if
Post by Ron Wiesen
the
Post by Steve Adolph
data is on a raid, or NTFS, or FAT?
I have tried it with 3 different machines,
all
Post by David
Post by sadolph
the same results.
Post by Ron Wiesen
Post by Steve Adolph
so, it's either
- cable
- software corrupted (desklink or dos200.co)
- compatibility?
- hardware problem on server
Any suggestions?
I have read the docs-- no mention of issues
to
Post by David
Post by sadolph
look out for.
Post by Ron Wiesen
Post by Steve Adolph
thanks, steve
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Charles Good
2003-05-27 19:05:46 UTC
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WP2DOS for the WP-2 is fat sensitive, so maybe desklink is too. Try running
it from a floppy disk under a directory named "root.". Floppy disks format
as fat 16.

Charles Good

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Adolph" <sadolph-***@public.gmane.org>
To: <m100-***@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 12:50 AM
Subject: desklink on Win2k?
Post by Steve Adolph
Gentlepeople-
I am trying to debug why TSdos and desklink dont work very well for me. I
get somewhat random directories, the odd 'communication error' and
sometimes, it hangs.
Does desklink work well on windows2k for others? also, does it care if the
data is on a raid, or NTFS, or FAT?
I have tried it with 3 different machines, all the same results.
so, it's either
- cable
- software corrupted (desklink or dos200.co)
- compatibility?
- hardware problem on server
Any suggestions?
I have read the docs-- no mention of issues to look out for.
thanks, steve
Joan Hovey
2003-05-28 13:51:47 UTC
Permalink
Charles, I read that you tested the Tandy 2 WP with Windows, and planned to
test it on Windows 2000 - Question: Did you test it on WindowsXP and did it
work okay? Thank you. Joan
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Good" <cgood-qB3+***@public.gmane.org>
To: <m100-***@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: desklink on Win2k?
Post by Charles Good
WP2DOS for the WP-2 is fat sensitive, so maybe desklink is too. Try running
it from a floppy disk under a directory named "root.". Floppy disks format
as fat 16.
Charles Good
Charles Good
2003-05-28 22:30:37 UTC
Permalink
I have not tested WP2DOS on Windows XP. I suspect it should work, sincw XP
is based on NT which I have tested using com1. If WP2DOS doesn't work from
a hard drive then try it from a floppy disk.

Charles Good
cgood-qB3+***@public.gmane.org

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joan Hovey" <jhhovey-F7KtY6MJiVJxBt5+***@public.gmane.org>
To: <m100-***@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:51 AM
Subject: Tandy 2 WP and WindowsXP-Charles Good's Tests
Post by Joan Hovey
Charles, I read that you tested the Tandy 2 WP with Windows, and planned to
test it on Windows 2000 - Question: Did you test it on WindowsXP and did it
work okay? Thank you. Joan
"...Chilling suspense! Unputdownable..." Rendezvous Magazine
NOWHERE TO HIDE
LISTEN TO THE SHADOWS
CHILL WATERS - Nov. 2003 from www.wings-press.com
www.joanhallhovey.com
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: desklink on Win2k?
Post by Charles Good
WP2DOS for the WP-2 is fat sensitive, so maybe desklink is too. Try
running
Post by Charles Good
it from a floppy disk under a directory named "root.". Floppy disks
format
Post by Charles Good
as fat 16.
Charles Good
Joan Hovey
2003-05-29 00:00:26 UTC
Permalink
Thank you, Charles. I'll let you know how it goes. I'm waiting for my
Tandy 2 WP to arrive. I bought it on ebay. Joan
www.joanhallhovey.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Good" <cgood-qB3+***@public.gmane.org>
To: <m100-***@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: Tandy 2 WP and WindowsXP-Charles Good's Tests
Post by Charles Good
I have not tested WP2DOS on Windows XP. I suspect it should work, sincw XP
is based on NT which I have tested using com1. If WP2DOS doesn't work from
a hard drive then try it from a floppy disk.
Charles Good
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:51 AM
Subject: Tandy 2 WP and WindowsXP-Charles Good's Tests
Post by Joan Hovey
Charles, I read that you tested the Tandy 2 WP with Windows, and planned
to
Post by Joan Hovey
test it on Windows 2000 - Question: Did you test it on WindowsXP and did
it
Post by Joan Hovey
work okay? Thank you. Joan
"...Chilling suspense! Unputdownable..." Rendezvous Magazine
NOWHERE TO HIDE
LISTEN TO THE SHADOWS
CHILL WATERS - Nov. 2003 from www.wings-press.com
www.joanhallhovey.com
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: desklink on Win2k?
Post by Charles Good
WP2DOS for the WP-2 is fat sensitive, so maybe desklink is too. Try
running
Post by Charles Good
it from a floppy disk under a directory named "root.". Floppy disks
format
Post by Charles Good
as fat 16.
Charles Good
The MCP
2003-05-27 11:49:02 UTC
Permalink
Personally, I just built a little overhead tower with some LED's that plugs
into my BCR port which no one ever uses :) Works pretty well, unless you need
to look at the keyboard (Working on it...)
Post by M***@public.gmane.org
Hello
I was wondering if anyone has tried to mod their model 100/102 with a
backlit LCD and if they had any tips. I'm thinking about moding one of mine
(Would be cool :')) but want to gather as much about it as I can.
thanks
Richard Jim Seibert
2003-05-28 13:47:19 UTC
Permalink
Mr. Salty Bear,

Do you have some experience with the USB port? I am in process of
switching to a pc running w98 with a USB so I can use it for a digital
camera. I have been using the serial port via HYPERTERM on my older pc
running W95 to communicate with my M100. No software is needed on either
machine to do reliable transfers.

Can we do the same (or similar) using the USB port? (if it can be made to
be a serial port, why not?) I could then make a mini USB - RS232 plug
adaptor to poke into the back of the m100 and use the cable already
hanging out there from the pc USB port to connect with it. As it is, I
now use the cable from the external MODEM on the pc to hook via an
adaptor to the rs 232 port on the m100.

Anyway, the USB port seems to be a made for the job solution. If you have
specific information and/or experience, I'd like to hear of it.
thanks, rjs
Post by w***@public.gmane.org
EXACTLY!!! The cable (#26-0182) plugs into a USB port, converting it
to a
serial (RS-232) port.
73 es cul
wb3fup
a Salty Bear
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w***@public.gmane.org
2003-05-28 18:55:00 UTC
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Richard,

I don't know if you will be able to make a converter. You can buy them, I
did for another connection. I purchased my USB->RS232 connection at Radio
Shack, but I am certain they are available elsewhere. Another poster to the
group has reported that he cannot get his adapter to work because of
configuration problems. I did not experience any problems, and while
checking his statement out I learned that my internal modem is configured
for com3, IRQ18. I don't remember doing this so I expect that XP, the os I
am using did the reconfiguration for me. As an alternative purchase, if your
PC does not have a spare com port you might investigate buying a card with
RS232ports to add to the machine. You can use the same port designation as
your modem since it is unlikely that you will be transferring files from the
M100 and surfing the internet at the same time.

My PC has two serial ports available and I use one of them for the M100 to
PC connection, using an identical set up to the one you are currently using.
I have used a com port and Hyper terminal, or another terminal program, on
DOS, OS/2, Win 3.1, 95,98, and XP. Works great for me.

Thanks for asking for the help, hope I haven't confused you to much.

73 es cul

wb3fup
a Salty Bear


----- Original Message -----
Wrom: RQBGJSNBOHMKHJYFMYXOEAIJJPHSCRTNHGSWZIDREXCA
To: <m100-***@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:47
Subject: Re: desklink on Win2k?
Post by Richard Jim Seibert
Mr. Salty Bear,
Do you have some experience with the USB port? I am in process of
switching to a pc running w98 with a USB so I can use it for a digital
camera. I have been using the serial port via HYPERTERM on my older pc
running W95 to communicate with my M100. No software is needed on either
machine to do reliable transfers.
Can we do the same (or similar) using the USB port? (if it can be made to
be a serial port, why not?) I could then make a mini USB - RS232 plug
adaptor to poke into the back of the m100 and use the cable already
hanging out there from the pc USB port to connect with it. As it is, I
now use the cable from the external MODEM on the pc to hook via an
adaptor to the rs 232 port on the m100.
Anyway, the USB port seems to be a made for the job solution. If you have
specific information and/or experience, I'd like to hear of it.
thanks, rjs
Post by w***@public.gmane.org
EXACTLY!!! The cable (#26-0182) plugs into a USB port, converting it
to a
serial (RS-232) port.
73 es cul
wb3fup
a Salty Bear
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Thomas
2003-05-28 22:06:23 UTC
Permalink
There was a company at one time that provided modified LCD displays
for the model 100 that were backlit. I remember seeing their ad
in one of the old magazines. I am 100% sure that they existed.
I also remember that they were expensive. I think the cost to get
the retrofit was something like $800.

Thomas
Jan Vanden Bossche
2003-05-29 09:05:01 UTC
Permalink
Hallo,

(GENERAL COMMENT)

Please erase the rest of the messages that you're not relplying to. It's
called "sensible quoting". Those working with dial-up modems will be
grateful. Over here, I pay per time-unit.

-----Original Message-----
Post by David
I've used TEENY.CO about 2-3 times and I only got it
to work once. I won't use it.
I use TEENY because it's so small and stable. I tend to keep a lot of files
in my 102, so the DOS should be tiny.
Post by David
I prefer using TS-DOS on my 100.
Don't have that. Yet.
Post by David
On my sister's 100 we tried DSKMGR.CO and
it works beautifully!
That's odd. My system regularly crashes when using DSKMGR, resulting in
complete data-loss. I tought it was because DSKMGR was written for the
TPDD(1) and DESKLINK emulates a TPDD2. Could that be ? Anyway, good that
you're happy with it. I won't use DSKMGR any more, I go for the size and
stability of TEENY, even though its bare interface sometimes drives me
crazy.
Post by David
David
Greetings from the TyRannoSaurus
Jan-80
Post by David
Post by Ron Wiesen
[ Desklink does work on Win2k ]
Yes it does. It works on all flavors of Windoze and
it works on all flavors
of DOS.
I have dedicated an old 486, equipped with a 40 MB HD with DOS, and starting
DESKLINK by default. Without a keyboard or screen (tweak the BIOS) I have an
instandt-on HD for my model T. MS-free. Anybody wants to know details ? Mail
me.
Post by David
Post by Ron Wiesen
[ you DON'T use Teeny.co to transfer files ]
There's no technical reason why not. If you prefer
to use TS-DOS, DSKMGR.CO, FLOPPY.CO or other
'master' ware, that's fine. TEENY.CO is
'master' ware that works with DeskLink 'slave' ware
just as well as any other 'master' ware.
RIGHT!
Post by David
Post by Ron Wiesen
-= Ron =-
Ron Wiesen
2003-05-29 12:07:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jan Vanden Bossche
That's odd. My system regularly crashes when using DSKMGR, resulting in
complete data-loss. I tought it was because DSKMGR was written for the
TPDD(1) and DESKLINK emulates a TPDD2. Could that be ? Anyway, good that
you're happy with it. I won't use DSKMGR any more, I go for the size and
stability of TEENY, even though its bare interface sometimes drives me
crazy.
No, DeskLink emulates a TPDD(1).

DSKMGR may have the trait of displacing the current "NoName" BASIC program
whenever you load a BASIC program file. Under certain operating conditions
this trait can cause havoc. Some 'master' ware has this trait: TEENY.CO
does not, perhaps DSKMGR does and it caused problems for you.

-= Ron =-
Ron Wiesen
2003-05-29 12:48:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jan Vanden Bossche
I use TEENY because it's so small and stable. I tend to keep a lot
of files in my 102, so the DOS should be tiny.
#1. Depending on the capacity of RAM which is equipped in the laptop, the
maximum Free quantity is: 13521 for 16K capacity, 21713 for 24K capacity, or
29905 for 32K capacity. That's right, a maximum of 29905 bytes Free in a
32K Model 10x laptop -- not 29638. See [
http://www.club100.org/library/doc/ramabout.html ] for detail.

#2. Minimum consumption of RAM using Teeny is 754 bytes: 747 bytes of
latent image in the HIMEM region, 7 bytes for a Trigger file in the named .C
type files region. See "Trigger File Creation" section of TEENY.CO manual
for detail.

By use of BASIC statement MAXFILES=0 to eliminate all outer File buffers
(#1) and keeping a Trigger file for invocation of the latent image of Teeny
(#2), the available Free quantity is 29151 (29905-754). Within a capacity
of 29151 you can keep a lot of files in RAM. Or, you can keep one extremely
large file in RAM that no 'master' ware other than Teeny can handle.

-= Ron =-

Richard Jim Seibert
2003-05-29 11:23:28 UTC
Permalink
Mr Salty Bear,

BTW the adaptor I made for the pc to M100 is neat enough to share the
details. I took a D25 socket and JB Welded a single telephone socket to
the back of it with pin 1,2,3,7 and then jumpering 6 to 8. I took another
two outlet telephone socket and JB Welded it to the back of a D25 plug
hooking up 1327 on one telephone socket and 1237 on the other. That way,
if I got the wires crossed, all I had to do was change sockets. Now to
connect the pc to the m100 all I do is unplug my external MODEM and plug
the cable to my adaptor - then plug the other adaptor into the m100 -
hook a four wire standard telephone hook up cable of any convenient
length between the two and we are off. I had a friend help put a shortcut
to Hyperterm on my desktop and I can load files anyplace I want 'em in a
single pass.

thanks for your comments, I may try that USB thing. Oh, that Radio Shack
cable you quoted, was it the full size USB end on each or was it a large
size on one end and the mini on the other? - regards, rjs
Post by w***@public.gmane.org
Richard,
I don't know if you will be able to make a converter. You can buy
them, I
did for another connection. I purchased my USB->RS232 connection at
Radio
Shack, but I am certain they are available elsewhere. Another
poster to the
group has reported that he cannot get his adapter to work because of
configuration problems. I did not experience any problems, and
while
checking his statement out I learned that my internal modem is
configured
for com3, IRQ18. I don't remember doing this so I expect that XP,
the os I
am using did the reconfiguration for me. As an alternative purchase,
if your
PC does not have a spare com port you might investigate buying a
card with
RS232ports to add to the machine. You can use the same port
designation as
your modem since it is unlikely that you will be transferring files
from the
M100 and surfing the internet at the same time.
My PC has two serial ports available and I use one of them for the
M100 to
PC connection, using an identical set up to the one you are
currently using.
I have used a com port and Hyper terminal, or another terminal
program, on
DOS, OS/2, Win 3.1, 95,98, and XP. Works great for me.
Thanks for asking for the help, hope I haven't confused you to much.
73 es cul
wb3fup
a Salty Bear
----- Original Message -----
Wrom: RQBGJSNBOHMKHJYFMYXOEAIJJPHSCRTNHGSWZIDREXCA
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:47
Subject: Re: desklink on Win2k?
Post by Richard Jim Seibert
Mr. Salty Bear,
Do you have some experience with the USB port? I am in process of
switching to a pc running w98 with a USB so I can use it for a
digital
Post by Richard Jim Seibert
camera. I have been using the serial port via HYPERTERM on my
older pc
Post by Richard Jim Seibert
running W95 to communicate with my M100. No software is needed on
either
Post by Richard Jim Seibert
machine to do reliable transfers.
Can we do the same (or similar) using the USB port? (if it can be
made to
Post by Richard Jim Seibert
be a serial port, why not?) I could then make a mini USB - RS232
plug
Post by Richard Jim Seibert
adaptor to poke into the back of the m100 and use the cable
already
Post by Richard Jim Seibert
hanging out there from the pc USB port to connect with it. As it
is, I
Post by Richard Jim Seibert
now use the cable from the external MODEM on the pc to hook via an
adaptor to the rs 232 port on the m100.
Anyway, the USB port seems to be a made for the job solution. If
you have
Post by Richard Jim Seibert
specific information and/or experience, I'd like to hear of it.
thanks, rjs
Post by w***@public.gmane.org
EXACTLY!!! The cable (#26-0182) plugs into a USB port,
converting it
Post by Richard Jim Seibert
Post by w***@public.gmane.org
to a
serial (RS-232) port.
73 es cul
wb3fup
a Salty Bear
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w***@public.gmane.org
2003-05-29 12:15:42 UTC
Permalink
Your adapter sounds great. I just use a null modem adapter on a one end of
a RS232 cable here. Have not used external modem since my Apple II days.
Have a bunch of PC's laying around here, and any of them that were actively
used by me have an internal modem in them.

It is full size USB Male on on end and DB9 Male on the other. There is a
sealed box in the middle that I assume contains a UART of some sort.

73 es cul

wb3fup
a Salty Bear


----- Original Message -----
Wrom: EDOTWFAOBUZXUWLSZLKBRNVWWCUFPEGAUTFJMVRESKPN
To: <m100-***@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:23
Subject: Re: desklink on Win2k?
Post by Richard Jim Seibert
Mr Salty Bear,
BTW the adaptor I made for the pc to M100 is neat enough to share the
details. I took a D25 socket and JB Welded a single telephone socket to
the back of it with pin 1,2,3,7 and then jumpering 6 to 8. I took another
two outlet telephone socket and JB Welded it to the back of a D25 plug
hooking up 1327 on one telephone socket and 1237 on the other. That way,
if I got the wires crossed, all I had to do was change sockets. Now to
connect the pc to the m100 all I do is unplug my external MODEM and plug
the cable to my adaptor - then plug the other adaptor into the m100 -
hook a four wire standard telephone hook up cable of any convenient
length between the two and we are off. I had a friend help put a shortcut
to Hyperterm on my desktop and I can load files anyplace I want 'em in a
single pass.
thanks for your comments, I may try that USB thing. Oh, that Radio Shack
cable you quoted, was it the full size USB end on each or was it a large
size on one end and the mini on the other? - regards, rjs
Post by w***@public.gmane.org
Richard,
I don't know if you will be able to make a converter. You can buy
them, I
did for another connection. I purchased my USB->RS232 connection at
Radio
Shack, but I am certain they are available elsewhere. Another
poster to the
group has reported that he cannot get his adapter to work because of
configuration problems. I did not experience any problems, and
while
checking his statement out I learned that my internal modem is
configured
for com3, IRQ18. I don't remember doing this so I expect that XP,
the os I
am using did the reconfiguration for me. As an alternative purchase,
if your
PC does not have a spare com port you might investigate buying a
card with
RS232ports to add to the machine. You can use the same port
designation as
your modem since it is unlikely that you will be transferring files
from the
M100 and surfing the internet at the same time.
My PC has two serial ports available and I use one of them for the
M100 to
PC connection, using an identical set up to the one you are
currently using.
I have used a com port and Hyper terminal, or another terminal
program, on
DOS, OS/2, Win 3.1, 95,98, and XP. Works great for me.
Thanks for asking for the help, hope I haven't confused you to much.
73 es cul
wb3fup
a Salty Bear
----- Original Message -----
Wrom: RQBGJSNBOHMKHJYFMYXOEAIJJPHSCRTNHGSWZIDREXCA
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:47
Subject: Re: desklink on Win2k?
Post by Richard Jim Seibert
Mr. Salty Bear,
Do you have some experience with the USB port? I am in process of
switching to a pc running w98 with a USB so I can use it for a
digital
Post by Richard Jim Seibert
camera. I have been using the serial port via HYPERTERM on my
older pc
Post by Richard Jim Seibert
running W95 to communicate with my M100. No software is needed on
either
Post by Richard Jim Seibert
machine to do reliable transfers.
Can we do the same (or similar) using the USB port? (if it can be
made to
Post by Richard Jim Seibert
be a serial port, why not?) I could then make a mini USB - RS232
plug
Post by Richard Jim Seibert
adaptor to poke into the back of the m100 and use the cable
already
Post by Richard Jim Seibert
hanging out there from the pc USB port to connect with it. As it
is, I
Post by Richard Jim Seibert
now use the cable from the external MODEM on the pc to hook via an
adaptor to the rs 232 port on the m100.
Anyway, the USB port seems to be a made for the job solution. If
you have
Post by Richard Jim Seibert
specific information and/or experience, I'd like to hear of it.
thanks, rjs
Post by w***@public.gmane.org
EXACTLY!!! The cable (#26-0182) plugs into a USB port,
converting it
Post by Richard Jim Seibert
Post by w***@public.gmane.org
to a
serial (RS-232) port.
73 es cul
wb3fup
a Salty Bear
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